Is there an archive that I search through?
Matthew Dougherty
713-433-3849
National Center for Macromolecular Imaging
Baylor College of Medicine/Houston Texas USA
Hi Matt,
···
On Apr 17, 2009, at 4:42 AM, Dougherty, Matthew T. wrote:
Is there an archive that I search through?
Sorry, not at this time. :-/
Quincey
Hi Matt,
Is there an archive that I search through?
There is a (now) 5 day archive.
I sent the following post some time ago but got no responses.
Some open questions are:
- Why is there a 5 day archive limit? Can the five day limit be lifted?
- Can people join the group?
<quote>
Not everyone may realize there is a very /temporary/ archive of the
hdf-forum mail list at:
http://groups.google.com/group/hdf-forum?lnk=srg
Unfortunately, it seems all messages posted are deleted after a six (6) days....
Would it be possible to for the admins to make this archive's lifespan
permanent?
Or is this in the lap of the Google gods?
</quote>
···
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 1:18 AM, Quincey Koziol <koziol@hdfgroup.org> wrote:
On Apr 17, 2009, at 4:42 AM, Dougherty, Matthew T. wrote:
Sorry, not at this time. :-/
Quincey
Hi Mark,
Hi Matt,
Is there an archive that I search through?
There is a (now) 5 day archive.
I sent the following post some time ago but got no responses.
Some open questions are:
- Why is there a 5 day archive limit? Can the five day limit be lifted?
- Can people join the group?<quote>
Not everyone may realize there is a very /temporary/ archive of the
hdf-forum mail list at:http://groups.google.com/group/hdf-forum?lnk=srg
Unfortunately, it seems all messages posted are deleted after a six (6) days....
Would it be possible to for the admins to make this archive's lifespan
permanent?
Or is this in the lap of the Google gods?
</quote>
It's a result of the mailing list software on our mail-hosting provider not setting the proper headers in the mailing list messages which indicate to Google that the messages should be archived indefinitely. Our sysadmin knows this is an issue, but migrating away from the email-hosting provider is going to be painful, so we're in a bit of limbo on this right now. :-/
Quincey
···
On Apr 18, 2009, at 10:21 PM, Mark V wrote:
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 1:18 AM, Quincey Koziol > <koziol@hdfgroup.org> wrote:
On Apr 17, 2009, at 4:42 AM, Dougherty, Matthew T. wrote:
Hi Mark,
Hi Matt,
Is there an archive that I search through?
There is a (now) 5 day archive.
I sent the following post some time ago but got no responses.
Some open questions are:
- Why is there a 5 day archive limit? Can the five day limit be lifted?
- Can people join the group?<quote>
Not everyone may realize there is a very /temporary/ archive of the
hdf-forum mail list at:http://groups.google.com/group/hdf-forum?lnk=srg
Unfortunately, it seems all messages posted are deleted after a six (6)
days....
Would it be possible to for the admins to make this archive's lifespan
permanent?
Or is this in the lap of the Google gods?
</quote>It's a result of the mailing list software on our mail\-hostingprovider not setting the proper headers in the mailing list messages which
indicate to Google that the messages should be archived indefinitely. Our
sysadmin knows this is an issue, but migrating away from the email-hosting
provider is going to be painful, so we're in a bit of limbo on this right
now. :-/
Fair enough.
However, wouldn't migrating just involve setting up a googlegroup (or
some other provider).
Then setting up a email account subscribed to the hdf-forum@hdfgroup.org
which auto-responds to every message indicating the address is no
longer used and suggests to join the <newgroup details>.
If I understand things correctly, one of the most valuable things a
mail list provides, an historical and search enabled knowledge base of
community experiences/gotcha's/howtos etc., is not available....
I know I was disappointed when I first realized this. Since I have
joined I have seen some posts that would be great to have a record of,
which I now do - but a newbie won't....
Mark
···
On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Quincey Koziol <koziol@hdfgroup.org> wrote:
On Apr 18, 2009, at 10:21 PM, Mark V wrote:
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 1:18 AM, Quincey Koziol <koziol@hdfgroup.org> >> wrote:
On Apr 17, 2009, at 4:42 AM, Dougherty, Matthew T. wrote:
Quincey
While archives can be useful, for hdf5 things have been in a state
of flux, so archives might contain rather more misinformation than
other lists. Until the burden of answering questions that have been
adequately answered gets too great, I don't see the lack of an archive
as much of a problem.
···
On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 4:22 AM, Mark V <mvyver@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Quincey Koziol <koziol@hdfgroup.org> wrote:
Hi Mark,
On Apr 18, 2009, at 10:21 PM, Mark V wrote:
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 1:18 AM, Quincey Koziol <koziol@hdfgroup.org> >>> wrote:
Hi Matt,
On Apr 17, 2009, at 4:42 AM, Dougherty, Matthew T. wrote:Is there an archive that I search through?
There is a (now) 5 day archive.
I sent the following post some time ago but got no responses.
Some open questions are:
- Why is there a 5 day archive limit? Can the five day limit be lifted?
- Can people join the group?<quote>
Not everyone may realize there is a very /temporary/ archive of the
hdf-forum mail list at:http://groups.google.com/group/hdf-forum?lnk=srg
Unfortunately, it seems all messages posted are deleted after a six (6)
days....
Would it be possible to for the admins to make this archive's lifespan
permanent?
Or is this in the lap of the Google gods?
</quote>It's a result of the mailing list software on our mail\-hostingprovider not setting the proper headers in the mailing list messages which
indicate to Google that the messages should be archived indefinitely. Our
sysadmin knows this is an issue, but migrating away from the email-hosting
provider is going to be painful, so we're in a bit of limbo on this right
now. :-/Fair enough.
However, wouldn't migrating just involve setting up a googlegroup (or
some other provider).
Then setting up a email account subscribed to the hdf-forum@hdfgroup.org
which auto-responds to every message indicating the address is no
longer used and suggests to join the <newgroup details>.If I understand things correctly, one of the most valuable things a
mail list provides, an historical and search enabled knowledge base of
community experiences/gotcha's/howtos etc., is not available....I know I was disappointed when I first realized this. Since I have
joined I have seen some posts that would be great to have a record of,
which I now do - but a newbie won't....
--
George N. White III <aa056@chebucto.ns.ca>
Head of St. Margarets Bay, Nova Scotia
I don't see the lack of an archive as much of a problem.
For my research purposes, I would disagree.
The ability to search and review discussions provides a number of insights:
1) has the question ever come up before?
2) has it been resolved or is it actually relevant?
3) who are the knowledgeable people outside the HDF group?
4) by examining past posts, how can I focus my questions to be on point and sufficiently detailed?
5) are there patterns that the user community are going in, such as needs?
6) if the issue has come up before, I can avoid wasting the HDF group's time and resources, and get quicker resolution.
I firmly believe that archives are very important.
Matthew Dougherty
713-433-3849
National Center for Macromolecular Imaging
Baylor College of Medicine/Houston Texas USA
···
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-----Original Message-----
From: George N. White III [mailto:gnwiii@gmail.com]
Sent: Mon 4/20/2009 6:18 AM
To: mvyver@gmail.com
Cc: Quincey Koziol; hdf-forum Forum
Subject: Re: [hdf-forum] archives
On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 4:22 AM, Mark V <mvyver@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Quincey Koziol <koziol@hdfgroup.org> wrote:
Hi Mark,
On Apr 18, 2009, at 10:21 PM, Mark V wrote:
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 1:18 AM, Quincey Koziol <koziol@hdfgroup.org> >>> wrote:
Hi Matt,
On Apr 17, 2009, at 4:42 AM, Dougherty, Matthew T. wrote:Is there an archive that I search through?
There is a (now) 5 day archive.
I sent the following post some time ago but got no responses.
Some open questions are:
- Why is there a 5 day archive limit? Can the five day limit be lifted?
- Can people join the group?<quote>
Not everyone may realize there is a very /temporary/ archive of the
hdf-forum mail list at:http://groups.google.com/group/hdf-forum?lnk=srg
Unfortunately, it seems all messages posted are deleted after a six (6)
days....
Would it be possible to for the admins to make this archive's lifespan
permanent?
Or is this in the lap of the Google gods?
</quote>It's a result of the mailing list software on our mail\-hostingprovider not setting the proper headers in the mailing list messages which
indicate to Google that the messages should be archived indefinitely. Our
sysadmin knows this is an issue, but migrating away from the email-hosting
provider is going to be painful, so we're in a bit of limbo on this right
now. :-/Fair enough.
However, wouldn't migrating just involve setting up a googlegroup (or
some other provider).
Then setting up a email account subscribed to the hdf-forum@hdfgroup.org
which auto-responds to every message indicating the address is no
longer used and suggests to join the <newgroup details>.If I understand things correctly, one of the most valuable things a
mail list provides, an historical and search enabled knowledge base of
community experiences/gotcha's/howtos etc., is not available....I know I was disappointed when I first realized this. Since I have
joined I have seen some posts that would be great to have a record of,
which I now do - but a newbie won't....
While archives can be useful, for hdf5 things have been in a state
of flux, so archives might contain rather more misinformation than
other lists. Until the burden of answering questions that have been
adequately answered gets too great, I don't see the lack of an archive
as much of a problem.
--
George N. White III <aa056@chebucto.ns.ca>
Head of St. Margarets Bay, Nova Scotia
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>I don't see the lack of an archive as much of a problem.
For my research purposes, I would disagree.
The ability to search and review discussions provides a number of insights:
1) has the question ever come up before?
2) has it been resolved or is it actually relevant?
3) who are the knowledgeable people outside the HDF group?
4) by examining past posts, how can I focus my questions to be on point and sufficiently detailed?
5) are there patterns that the user community are going in, such as needs?
6) if the issue has come up before, I can avoid wasting the HDF group's time and resources, and get quicker resolution.I firmly believe that archives are very important.
Definitely. We're trying to make progress on this again...
Quincey
···
On Apr 21, 2009, at 5:21 AM, Dougherty, Matthew T. wrote:
Matthew Dougherty
713-433-3849
National Center for Macromolecular Imaging
Baylor College of Medicine/Houston Texas USA=========================================================================
-----Original Message-----
From: George N. White III [mailto:gnwiii@gmail.com]
Sent: Mon 4/20/2009 6:18 AM
To: mvyver@gmail.com
Cc: Quincey Koziol; hdf-forum Forum
Subject: Re: [hdf-forum] archivesOn Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 4:22 AM, Mark V <mvyver@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Quincey Koziol > <koziol@hdfgroup.org> wrote:
>> Hi Mark,
>>
>> On Apr 18, 2009, at 10:21 PM, Mark V wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 1:18 AM, Quincey Koziol <koziol@hdfgroup.org > > > >>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Matt,
>>>> On Apr 17, 2009, at 4:42 AM, Dougherty, Matthew T. wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Is there an archive that I search through?
>>>>
>>>
>>> There is a (now) 5 day archive.
>>> I sent the following post some time ago but got no responses.
>>> Some open questions are:
>>> - Why is there a 5 day archive limit? Can the five day limit be lifted?
>>> - Can people join the group?
>>>
>>> <quote>
>>> Not everyone may realize there is a very /temporary/ archive of the
>>> hdf-forum mail list at:
>>>
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/hdf-forum?lnk=srg
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, it seems all messages posted are deleted after a six (6)
>>> days....
>>> Would it be possible to for the admins to make this archive's lifespan
>>> permanent?
>>> Or is this in the lap of the Google gods?
>>> </quote>
>>
>> It's a result of the mailing list software on our mail-hosting
>> provider not setting the proper headers in the mailing list messages which
>> indicate to Google that the messages should be archived indefinitely. Our
>> sysadmin knows this is an issue, but migrating away from the email-hosting
>> provider is going to be painful, so we're in a bit of limbo on this right
>> now. :-/
>
> Fair enough.
> However, wouldn't migrating just involve setting up a googlegroup (or
> some other provider).
> Then setting up a email account subscribed to the hdf-forum@hdfgroup.org
> which auto-responds to every message indicating the address is no
> longer used and suggests to join the <newgroup details>.
>
> If I understand things correctly, one of the most valuable things a
> mail list provides, an historical and search enabled knowledge base of
> community experiences/gotcha's/howtos etc., is not available....
>
> I know I was disappointed when I first realized this. Since I have
> joined I have seen some posts that would be great to have a record of,
> which I now do - but a newbie won't....While archives can be useful, for hdf5 things have been in a state
of flux, so archives might contain rather more misinformation than
other lists. Until the burden of answering questions that have been
adequately answered gets too great, I don't see the lack of an archive
as much of a problem.--
George N. White III <aa056@chebucto.ns.ca>
Head of St. Margarets Bay, Nova Scotia----------------------------------------------------------------------
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To subscribe to this list, send a message to hdf-forum-subscribe@hdfgroup.org.
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My 2 cents: not even archives, but searchable and threaded ones. I am
always amused at the existence of (so many) non-searchable /
non-sortable mailing list archives out there: what ever might be the
possible use?
with regards,
Dominik
Dougherty, Matthew T. wrote:
I don't see the lack of an archive as much of a problem.
For my research purposes, I would disagree.
The ability to search and review discussions provides a number of insights:
1) has the question ever come up before?
2) has it been resolved or is it actually relevant?
3) who are the knowledgeable people outside the HDF group?
4) by examining past posts, how can I focus my questions to be on point
and sufficiently detailed?
5) are there patterns that the user community are going in, such as needs?
6) if the issue has come up before, I can avoid wasting the HDF group's
time and resources, and get quicker resolution.I firmly believe that archives are very important.
Matthew Dougherty
713-433-3849
National Center for Macromolecular Imaging
Baylor College of Medicine/Houston Texas USA=========================================================================
From: George N. White III [mailto:gnwiii@gmail.com]
Sent: Mon 4/20/2009 6:18 AM
To: mvyver@gmail.com
Cc: Quincey Koziol; hdf-forum Forum
Subject: Re: [hdf-forum] archivesHi Mark,
Hi Matt,
Is there an archive that I search through?
There is a (now) 5 day archive.
I sent the following post some time ago but got no responses.
Some open questions are:
- Why is there a 5 day archive limit? Can the five day limit be lifted?
- Can people join the group?<quote>
Not everyone may realize there is a very /temporary/ archive of the
hdf-forum mail list at:http://groups.google.com/group/hdf-forum?lnk=srg
Unfortunately, it seems all messages posted are deleted after a six (6)
days....
Would it be possible to for the admins to make this archive's lifespan
permanent?
Or is this in the lap of the Google gods?
</quote>It's a result of the mailing list software on our mail-hosting
provider not setting the proper headers in the mailing list messageswhich
indicate to Google that the messages should be archived indefinitely.
Our
sysadmin knows this is an issue, but migrating away from the
email-hosting
provider is going to be painful, so we're in a bit of limbo on this right
now. :-/Fair enough.
However, wouldn't migrating just involve setting up a googlegroup (or
some other provider).
Then setting up a email account subscribed to the hdf-forum@hdfgroup.org
which auto-responds to every message indicating the address is no
longer used and suggests to join the <newgroup details>.If I understand things correctly, one of the most valuable things a
mail list provides, an historical and search enabled knowledge base of
community experiences/gotcha's/howtos etc., is not available....I know I was disappointed when I first realized this. Since I have
joined I have seen some posts that would be great to have a record of,
which I now do - but a newbie won't....While archives can be useful, for hdf5 things have been in a state
of flux, so archives might contain rather more misinformation than
other lists. Until the burden of answering questions that have been
adequately answered gets too great, I don't see the lack of an archive
as much of a problem.--
George N. White III <aa056@chebucto.ns.ca>
Head of St. Margarets Bay, Nova Scotia----------------------------------------------------------------------
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hdf-forum-subscribe@hdfgroup.org.
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Dominik Szczerba, PhD.
Biomedical Simulation Group
Computer Vision Lab CH-8092 Zurich
http://www.vision.ee.ethz.ch/~domi
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On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 4:22 AM, Mark V <mvyver@gmail.com> wrote:On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Quincey Koziol <koziol@hdfgroup.org> > wrote:
On Apr 18, 2009, at 10:21 PM, Mark V wrote:
On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 1:18 AM, Quincey Koziol <koziol@hdfgroup.org> >>>> wrote:
On Apr 17, 2009, at 4:42 AM, Dougherty, Matthew T. wrote:
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some interesting benchmarks
http://institute.lanl.gov/plfs/
Matthew Dougherty
713-433-3849
National Center for Macromolecular Imaging
Baylor College of Medicine/Houston Texas USA
···
=========================================================================
Indeed, yes. There's some limitations to what they are doing, but it does look like an interesting technique.
Quincey
···
On Apr 21, 2009, at 6:17 AM, Dougherty, Matthew T. wrote:
some interesting benchmarks
Their log-structured filesystem works for any N-to-1 parallel I/O library (not just HDF5). The developers (John Bent and Gary Grider) consider it an alternative to MPI-IO or PVFS. However, it requires you install the FUSE kernel loadable module on your compute nodes to create the interposing filesystem. This is pretty tough to convince your sysadmins even though it is a standard part of Linux. FUSE (a user-space filesystem) also has its own set of issues.
Its pretty interesting work though with promising results. It will be interesting to see how this all develops. However, I wouldn't dump your current parallel I/O middleware just yet.
-john
···
On Apr 21, 2009, at 4:17 AM, Dougherty, Matthew T. wrote:
some interesting benchmarks
http://institute.lanl.gov/plfs/
Matthew Dougherty
713-433-3849
National Center for Macromolecular Imaging
Baylor College of Medicine/Houston Texas USA=========================================================================
As a possible option, you could use the Origo system as management,
which comes with some forum, including a couple of other convenient
feautures:
No need to use their host, this Origo is open source itself and could
be installed somewhere else as well.
Werner
···
On Tue, 21 Apr 2009 07:58:56 -0500, Quincey Koziol <koziol@hdfgroup.org> wrote:
On Apr 21, 2009, at 5:21 AM, Dougherty, Matthew T. wrote:
>I don't see the lack of an archive as much of a problem.
For my research purposes, I would disagree.
The ability to search and review discussions provides a number of
insights:
1) has the question ever come up before?
2) has it been resolved or is it actually relevant?
3) who are the knowledgeable people outside the HDF group?
4) by examining past posts, how can I focus my questions to be on
point and sufficiently detailed?
5) are there patterns that the user community are going in, such as
needs?
6) if the issue has come up before, I can avoid wasting the HDF
group's time and resources, and get quicker resolution.I firmly believe that archives are very important.
Definitely. We're trying to make progress on this again...
Quincey
Matthew Dougherty
713-433-3849
National Center for Macromolecular Imaging
Baylor College of Medicine/Houston Texas USA======================================================================
======================================================================
-----Original Message-----
From: George N. White III [mailto:gnwiii@gmail.com]
Sent: Mon 4/20/2009 6:18 AM
To: mvyver@gmail.com
Cc: Quincey Koziol; hdf-forum Forum
Subject: Re: [hdf-forum] archivesOn Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 4:22 AM, Mark V <mvyver@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sun, Apr 19, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Quincey Koziol >> <koziol@hdfgroup.org> wrote:
>> Hi Mark,
>>
>> On Apr 18, 2009, at 10:21 PM, Mark V wrote:
>>
>>> On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 1:18 AM, Quincey Koziol <koziol@hdfgroup.org >> > >> >>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Matt,
>>>> On Apr 17, 2009, at 4:42 AM, Dougherty, Matthew T. wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Is there an archive that I search through?
>>>>
>>>
>>> There is a (now) 5 day archive.
>>> I sent the following post some time ago but got no responses.
>>> Some open questions are:
>>> - Why is there a 5 day archive limit? Can the five day limit be
lifted?
>>> - Can people join the group?
>>>
>>> <quote>
>>> Not everyone may realize there is a very /temporary/ archive of
the
>>> hdf-forum mail list at:
>>>
>>> http://groups.google.com/group/hdf-forum?lnk=srg
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, it seems all messages posted are deleted after a
six (6)
>>> days....
>>> Would it be possible to for the admins to make this archive's
lifespan
>>> permanent?
>>> Or is this in the lap of the Google gods?
>>> </quote>
>>
>> It's a result of the mailing list software on our mail-
hosting
>> provider not setting the proper headers in the mailing list
messages which
>> indicate to Google that the messages should be archived
indefinitely. Our
>> sysadmin knows this is an issue, but migrating away from the
email-hosting
>> provider is going to be painful, so we're in a bit of limbo on
this right
>> now. :-/
>
> Fair enough.
> However, wouldn't migrating just involve setting up a googlegroup
(or
> some other provider).
> Then setting up a email account subscribed to the hdf-forum@hdfgroup.org
> which auto-responds to every message indicating the address is no
> longer used and suggests to join the <newgroup details>.
>
> If I understand things correctly, one of the most valuable things a
> mail list provides, an historical and search enabled knowledge
base of
> community experiences/gotcha's/howtos etc., is not available....
>
> I know I was disappointed when I first realized this. Since I have
> joined I have seen some posts that would be great to have a record
of,
> which I now do - but a newbie won't....While archives can be useful, for hdf5 things have been in a state
of flux, so archives might contain rather more misinformation than
other lists. Until the burden of answering questions that have been
adequately answered gets too great, I don't see the lack of an archive
as much of a problem.--
George N. White III <aa056@chebucto.ns.ca>
Head of St. Margarets Bay, Nova Scotia----------------------------------------------------------------------
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